FSM Board: STAR TREK TMP (2024)

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I was referring to the original engagements. I have all the LA Times & NY Times ads, which is obviously where they would have played if they existed.

I am aware of (and rather bored with) this controversy. All I can tell you as that there is no 65mm element listed in the Paramount archives. Perhaps it was destroyed after an answer print was made. The only frames I have ever seen have no soundtrack on them, like the one in your image, so maybe that was from an answer print. We have ads from later double feature showings but those are not sufficient as I've been to theaters during that era which advertised 70mm but were actually showing 35mm. What we don't have is a single person who can positively recall seeing it in 70mm as part of a regular run and we may never find one.

Mike M.

The other thing I'm reminded of is the "lost" version of "Ilia's Theme" which originally served as the overture to the theatrical cut. It was shorter and had a differently-orchestrated ending, which you can only hear in the theatrical cut of the film, IIRC. (I'll have to double-check my LLL STTMP set.) Mike has explained previously here at the board that Goldsmith always intended for the album version of "Ilia's Theme" to be the overture, but the shorter version had been used instead, last-minute, because otherwise the film's first reel would be too long.

In Wise's "Director's Cut" DVD you get the overture as originally intended -- full-length, with a moving starfield.

I just have the theatrical version on DVD, in the six-movie box set. What's the running length of the full overture? And it's not on our 3-disc LLL set? Shaun Frickin' Cassidy is on that set. But not this integral Goldsmith piece?

Edit: is it Disc 3 Track 1, running 2:50? I'd really like it if the last TMP soundtrack upgrade is indeed the last.

Is it included on the CD set or is it only heard on the theatrical-cut Blu-ray, etc.?

Is it included on the CD set or it only heard on the theatrical-cut Blu-ray, etc.?

Sig, you're blowing my mind. There are FOUR versions of Ilia's theme on the LLL set. The very first track is the film version.

The funny thing is, I don't have a favorite. They're all terrific.

Thanks, Swashbuckler.

No problem. I was just startled. You're a nerd held in high esteem.

Let me start out by saying that I totally admire your remastering work on so many film score CDs, and didn't mean to bring up any "controversy" on this 70mm STAR TREK subject. Honestly, I didn't know there WAS any controversy about this. I'm sorry if I brought up anything that would upset anyone. I merely wanted to note that I do have a few frames from a 70mm print of STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE, so somewhere, at sometime, it must have been shown (or at least printed) in 70mm. It has magnetic tracks on the outside edges of the film. As I said in the previous post, these frames came from a print that was used by a professional projectionist who used this reel to tweak the sound systems in certain theatres that were equipped for 70mm projection.

That's all.

Mike, I admire your great work.

http://in70mm.com/library/blow_up/year/1979/images/sttmp_70mm_sandiego_1981.jpg

http://in70mm.com/library/blow_up/year/1979/images/sttmp_70mm_sandiego_1981.jpg

Hm. Strange ad. The theatrical version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture was rated G, the 2000 Director's Edition was rated PG.

Sounds like a successful re-edit to me.

EDIT: Actually, after looking at the ad, it looks like STTMP was rated PG in '81.

According to IMDB ; "The producers of the Director's Cut submitted the film for re-rating by the MPAA, hoping for a PG rating rather than the original G rating which they believed carried a negative association; the basis for the higher rating was the intensified soundtrack. Oddly, when the original theatrical version was released on DVD and Blu-Ray in 2009, it carried no MPAA rating."

Maybe somebody noticed that the baby-blue footed pajamas left nothing to the imagination, where mens' junk was concerned. Terrible, terrible costumes.

As for the Overture, there was a long and a short one, but at the time of the Director's Edition I didn't interpret the documentation precisely and we used the version that was on the soundtrack album, which is technically "Ilia's Theme." The correct long version of the Overture is Disc 3, track 1 on the La-La Land release (it has the variant ending). That will be fixed at such time as an updated version of the D/E happens (note that I won't comment further on that subject).

Seems there is an overture on Tarantino's new film, but the web is abuzz about the technically disastrous screenings.

I listened to The Black Hole this morning (again, yet again). Another great score from 1979.

What's different about the ending? I just listened to all four of them and that seems to be one of the common elements between them.

I have some quibbles with the DE, but I would still love to have it in HD!

As to the overture, this didn't play at all at either of the two screenings I went to at the Empire.